090: The Cyrkle, ‘Red Rubber Ball’

Posted by on May 5, 2022 in Personal, Rock, Song Of the week |
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Red Rubber Ball — The Cyrkle (Simon-Woodley)

Red Rubber Ball — Simon & Garfunkel

I Wish You Could Be Here — The Cyrkle (Simon-Woodley)

Back in the days when I played a lot of guitar (more precisely, I played a great quantity of very little guitar), this strange thing would happen. I’d hear a song, it would appeal to me, I’d write down the lyrics by running the cassette 3 seconds at a time, figure out the chords as well as I could (I was pretty good on the basics, till you get into the minor 7/Augmented 17+’s), transpose it into a singable key, figure out some picking or strumming from the very limited toolbox of my right hand, and have a go at it. If it felt good, I’d pursue it, practice it, 20 or 30 or 40 times, and try it in front of an audience (usually starting with my wife while she was making dinner, striving desperately for a “That’s nice, Jeff.”). At that point, it still belonged at least some degree to the original from which I’d pinched it. But after a while–let’s say after playing it 100 times–it became mine. Even if it was a Beatles song which was hardwired in my brain, note for note of every instrument, my treatment gained its own autonomy, and became a living, breathing entity in my brain. It became the default version in my mind’s ear.

A cyrkular triangle

In 1964 a frat band called the Rhondells from Lafayette College in Easton, PA (not to be confused with the Rhondels from Virginia Beach, VA) was playing a seedy, pre-gambling resort in Atlantic City. They were heard by Nat Weiss, a would-be entrepreneur who actually did book The Beatles’ Carnegie Hall and Shea Stadium concerts in 1964 and 1965. Weiss got the PA Rhondells some gigs in Greenwich Village, changed their name (apocryphally upon advice from his buddy Brian Epstein and Brian’s client John Lennon) to The Cyrkle.

After Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel recorded their first LP, a derivative collection of folk standards with a couple of Simon originals thrown in, Paul split for London. Unbeknownst to him, a Columbia Records producer had overdubbed drums and an electric guitar, resulting in the career-making hit “The Sounds of Silence”. Paul had no idea this was going on, and was having a great time with a girl named Kathy and writing a couple of songs with Bruce Woodley of the Australian band The Seekers (‘Georgy Girl‘). These songs were never recorded officially by Simon and Garfunkel, which makes no sense at all, because they were stars without a catalogue of songs to perform. Don’t blame me, I just bear witness to the events.

By the way, this was the time I saw S&G perform in Meadville, Pennsylvania, just the two of them, acoustic, playing their hits ‘SoS’, ‘Homeward Bound’ and ‘I am a Rock’. I walked into the dressing room to interview them, my frizzy hair all a-frizz, when very short Paul looked at his partner and said, “Hey, Art, this guy looks just like you.” They were warm and open interviewees, but mega-stardom was still a year or so away.

S&G went on tour, with Cyrkle member Tom Dawes playing bass in their band while his co-founder bandmate Don Dannemann was doing reserve duty in the Coast Guard (I’m guessing you might not have known that fact). Brian Epstein was managing The Cyrkle by then, which gave them no small degree of aura. Paul offered the two songs he’d written with Woodley to Tom, who recorded them under the supervision of master producer John Simon. ‘Red Rubber Ball‘ reached #2 on the charts; and the very lovely ‘I Wish You Could Be Here‘, teetering between maudlin and moving, made it onto The Cyrkle’s rather unmemorable album (yes, I owned it, and once upon a time knew it by heart). They toured as the opening act for The Beatles in the US in 1966 (now that I think of it— that’s when I saw The Beatles. I must have seen them! I have no recollection of The Cyrkle. I’m really, really sorry, guys. But I guess you probably got enough out of that tour for my not remembering you to not make a serious dent in your memories or bank account.) They had one more hit, the lovely ‘Turn-Down Day‘, which I remember air-guitar singing in a Pepsi Cola factory with my friend Aaron. See, I do remember some things.

And I certainly do remember the song ‘Red Rubber Ball‘, because I performed it about a trillion times. It became a sort of signature song for me in the teenie-weenie cyrkle of venues I used to play back then.

So here you go, all you bulging and balding baby boomers: ‘Red Rubber Ball’ as performed by The Seekers (I recommend skipping this one), by Simon and Garfunkel in a live recording released on the “Old Friends” compilation in 1997 (don’t miss this one), by Jeff Meshel (use your discretion), and by good old Cyrkle, the version everyone remembers and knows and loved, way back in good old 1966.


I should have known you’d bid me farewell
There’s a lesson to be learned from this and I learned it very well
Now, I know you’re not the only starfish in the sea
If I never hear your name again, it’s all the same to me
And I think it’s gonna be alright
Yeah, the worst is over now
The mornin’ sun is shinin’ like a red rubber ball

You never care for secrets I confide
For you, I’m just an ornament, somethin’ for your pride
Always runnin’, never carin’, that’s the life you live
Stolen minutes of your time were all you had to give

It’s a story from the past with nothin’ to recall
I’ve got my life to live and I don’t need you at all
The roller-coaster ride we took is nearly at an end
I bought my ticket with my tears, that’s all I’m gonna spend


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Mark L. Levinson
Mar 11, 2011 at 11:36 am

I notice your lyrics as sung differ a little. Is it intentional? “never see your face again” instead of “never hear your name again,” “the roller-coaster ride you took” instead of “the roller-coaster ride we took”?

Mark Wolkenfeld
Mar 11, 2011 at 11:39 am

About the song: you write very nicely and I laughed when I saw the picture of the red rubber ball.

Mar 11, 2011 at 12:01 pm

Ay-ay-ay. 😉
Seriously? I guess that’s just what I was talking about. I think the lyrics I sang make more sense. It’s ‘my’ song now, in the sense that after all these years I feel it’s bent to my contours. I sure did enjoy hearing the S&G version, though. Shows you why he’s who he is.

Mar 12, 2011 at 11:07 pm

Loved reading this and listening to all the versions. Thanks! I have fond memories of this song (Cyrkle version, of course). Great stories, Jeff.

I see on the web that as of 2001, “Tom Dawes and Don Dannemann, the group’s lead singers, now head their own advertising agencies in New York, where they started as talented jingle writers. Don Dannemann has written jingles for Continental Airlines and Swanson Foods, while Tom Dawes has had shining success with, among other things, the Alka Selzter “Plop, plop, fizz, fizz” slogan jingle which became a pop culture classic!” Makes you wonder what happened to the third guy.
And by the way, Mr. Meshel, watch who you call “bulging and balding!”

David Rubin
Mar 13, 2011 at 10:38 am

I saw the Cyrkle live in Milwaukee in 1967 where they headlined a show of 6 forgettable bands outside at Milwaukee County Stadium. I guess they were on the way down by then because the Stadium held 56,000 people and there were only, say, 3,000 in attendance. The Cyrkle played Red Rubber Ball. It looked and sounded like they were lipsynching to a prerecorded track being blasted over the Stadium speakers. I much prefer your version and I plan to erase the memory of that Cyrkle concert soon to free up some much needed brain memory space.

Ellen G Levitt
May 6, 2022 at 2:53 pm

I love this!!! I sang the whole song along with you!!! What memories this song brings back…how fun and I had no idea of the history. Thanks for sharing!!!!

John A Radoszewski
May 6, 2022 at 4:49 pm

Your article answered a question I never knew I had. I thought the Cyrkle were British. Here’s why. Back in 1965-66, Epstein and the Beatles decided to form rock bands that had the name of shapes: Triangle, Circle, Square, etc. This is well-established though not well known. So, the Epstein connection in your piece makes sense. He grabbed the opportunity to fit “The Rhondells” into that mold, hence “The Circle”. I believe they already had “The Triangle” who went nowhere, and never got to “The Square”. I loved the pop sound of “The Circle”. They did sound very American. I just recently learned that
“America” are Brits. And I’m an expert!!! Woodley and all the “Seekers” are
still alive and well. The only group from that time who are intact, including
the group prior to Judith Durham joining. I love her. Finally, can you imagine
screwing with Paul Simon in their heyday. Unbelievable. Out.

John Whyle
May 6, 2022 at 8:58 pm

‘America’, British? I thought they were American kids and their parents were in the Forces and living in England at the time.

“America is a British-American rock band formed in London in 1970 by Dewey Bunnell, Dan Peek and Gerry Beckley. The trio met as sons of US Air Force personnel stationed in London, where they began performing live.”

May 7, 2022 at 7:40 pm

To John and John and The Universe,
To tell you the truth, when I interviewed Paul in 1967, he was pretty full of himself. I’m not sure I would have wanted to hang around with him back then. But I imagine after he’d had a few warm beers he would have loosened up. I once took an interest in the British acoustic scene, was surprised to learn that he garnered some respect in those very heady cyrkles, if I remember. Correct me if I’m wrong.

John A Radoszewski
May 8, 2022 at 11:18 pm

“America” is a British-American band. I hate to split hairs but Dewey Bunnell was
born in London. That makes “America” a British band and an American band. They
also formed in London. So are they more British or more American. WGA#.



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